tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post2105746148978324628..comments2010-02-20T12:12:36.243+07:00Indonesia Anonymushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08082457164468524565noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-67079230010925518612009-10-13T15:01:55.735+07:002009-10-13T15:01:55.735+07:00

Kamil,<br /><br />you are entitled to your own opinion of course.<br />Although one could argue, during the Suharto downfall, the demonstrators did not really break any law, because freedom of speech is protected by the constitution. It was Suharto who broke the law by repressing it.<br /><br />Our election is not perfect of course, but in comparison to the past (and to many other countries), it

Indonesia Anonymushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08082457164468524565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-67247497211148293822009-10-13T06:08:32.322+07:002009-10-13T06:08:32.322+07:00

But, IA, all significant, real changes happened when someone broke the law. Like how our fathers did not obey the Dutch, and how our friends did not obey Soeharto in 1998, etc.<br /><br />I am not advocating any criminal activity, but there are reasons why people insist on doing things that are outlawed. And many can&#39;t wait until another (unfortunately, farce) elections.

kamilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-15372535824031502572009-09-17T14:16:19.897+07:002009-09-17T14:16:19.897+07:00

Jeremy,<br />we appreciate your opinion. And you are right to say just because it is law does not mean it is ok.<br /><br />If there is something wrong with our law, then it is partly our fault, because we elected the people who made the law. But that also means, we the people have the power to change it.<br /><br />But as long as it is still law, then we the people must obey ( or follow, respect

Indonesia Anonymushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08082457164468524565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-71786361638348965232009-09-17T00:02:33.046+07:002009-09-17T00:02:33.046+07:00

I have to disagree with KimDonesia. Respecting cultures, yes but laws are to be fallowed not respected. I respect the women that got flogged and people who have respect for other people. That would not include the floggers. The fact that something is a law does not mean it is ok. If a law was somehow passed where you live that declared women to be public property of any man who wishes to take

jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05170289004931684854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-51625808517701552902009-09-02T18:45:59.513+07:002009-09-02T18:45:59.513+07:00

KimDonesia,<br /><br />thank you for your input.<br />Agree with you, we should respect the culture and the law.<br /><br />One point to add, people do have a say in what should become law.<br />That&#39;s why we have democracy. We elected our reps to the legislative body, and they make the law.<br /><br />Granted that it does not always work the way the public wanted (there is always corruption,

Indonesia Anonymushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08082457164468524565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-22861647874979457962009-09-02T14:45:16.990+07:002009-09-02T14:45:16.990+07:00

I guess it just all comes down to respecting different cultures, and respecting the law of a country. <b>If pants are illegal in a country, then they shouldn&#39;t be worn.</b> Simple as that.<br /><br />Drugs are illegal in my country - so, if people here choose to do drugs, they can suffer the consequences. It&#39;s not really up to the public to make the decisions. Sad, but the truth... And it

KimDonesiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07799941258873176127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-27674894055045257842009-08-17T17:07:59.874+07:002009-08-17T17:07:59.874+07:00

Hendro,<br /><br />very good point.<br /><br />That&#39;s probably one more reason for you and us to blog about Indonesia&#39;s point of view.<br />So people can understand Indonesia better.<br /><br />On Rob&#39;s case however, he&#39;s lived in Indonesia for a while so he probably has immense understanding of the country.<br /><br />Right Rob?

Indonesia Anonymushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08082457164468524565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-5376722783427426002009-08-17T16:57:36.665+07:002009-08-17T16:57:36.665+07:00

Rob, cirrhosis of the liver?<br />That sounds scary...

Indonesia Anonymushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08082457164468524565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-14506631890430251992009-08-16T21:10:37.564+07:002009-08-16T21:10:37.564+07:00

I can understand Rob&#39;s perspective though. <br /><br />I&#39;ve found many people have no idea about what real Indonesia looks like. You got to live inside the country to have clear perspective that Indonesians are so far apart compare to the middle-east in terms of socio-cultural perspective.<br /><br />However, all i see in media here (as someone who live outside Indonesia), is that we&#39;

Hendro Wijayahttp://blindoptimists.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-4538982475210933142009-08-16T16:48:11.179+07:002009-08-16T16:48:11.179+07:00

IA...<br /><br />There is a question mark at the end of that, right? :D<br /><br />In answering my own question. It depends on whether you believe a Pan-Asian Caliphate to be a possibility. If not, then it is not just a matter of time, but will not ever happen.<br /><br />Nope. Nothing can force me to give up the Jagermeister, except perhaps cirrhosis of the liver.

Rob Baitonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-53913232701446986222009-08-15T16:07:43.086+07:002009-08-15T16:07:43.086+07:00

just a matter of time?<br />you really think so Rob?<br /><br />We hope not.<br />And almost certain it won&#39;t include Australia...<br /><br />Nothing can force you to give up your Jägermeister... ;)

Indonesia Anonymushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08082457164468524565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18861785.post-66512187422275551022009-08-15T13:17:16.772+07:002009-08-15T13:17:16.772+07:00

Is it just a matter of time?<br /><br />I am guessing that this might happen at about the same time as a Pan-Asian Caliphate.<br /><br />With a bit of luck the Caliphate won&#39;t include Australia.

Rob Baitonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.com